juliaserano ([info]juliaserano) wrote,

Am I the only person offended by this?

ok, so the following is a rant that I posted on a trans-themed email list. It is in reference an exposé written by folks within the gender variant community about a proponent of autogynephilia theory who happens to be a trans woman. Now this person has said some messed up things about people I respect, and she is accused of a number of other things which I have heard second hand that, if true, are very disturbing. Having said that, I wrote the following post in response to certain aspects of that exposé that really really bothered me as a trans woman and activist. For anonymity reasons, I have omitted/deleted names of the person in question, as well as those who published the exposé. I ask those who wish to leave comments to respect this anonymity...

Am I the only person offended by this?

I can understand why someone would want to critique what proponents of “autogynephilia” say about that theory. And if a hypothetical individual were to engage in shady behaviors—for example, misrepresenting themselves, inconsistent, distorted or fraudulent writings, edit-warring (as _____ is alleged to have done)—I can understand why someone might want to bring it to other people’s attention. But I am especially appalled by two of the tactics employed against _____ in the above [deleted] link.

The first is the insinuation that _____ isn’t a “real” transsexual (in fact, the very word transsexual is often placed in quotes in reference to her). It is insinuated that she must not be a “real” transsexual because she still has facial hair. I guess that means that I’m not a real transsexual either. In fact, off the top of my head, I can name at least ten dedicated trans women activists I know who (like myself and ______) have not completed electrolysis. You wanna know why? Because it’s fucking expensive! In addition to being classist, that tactic is oppressive. Deeming that some people are “real” transsexuals while other people are not is exactly what the gatekeepers have been doing to us for years.

Second, I am disturbed by the way the report essentially accuses her of being “autogynephilic” (both because she supposedly asked a girl to the prom and because other people supposedly view her as a “tranny chaser”). Reading those passages made me feel like I was I was reading Bailey’s book all over again. And I know what you’re going to say: “Well it’s relevant to bring it up because she calls herself a ‘homosexual transsexual’ and it demonstrates that she misrepresents herself.” Gee, I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that one before...now where was it?...oh yeah, in Alice Dreger’s ASB article. In fact, Dreger rather promiscuously (no pun intended) uses the cloak of “relevance” to delve into the presumed sexual pasts of [many of the trans women who critiqued Bailey's book]. Do you know wanna know why she did that? Because sexualizing a person invalidates them! This is precisely why defense lawyers ask rape survivors irrelevant questions about their past sexual histories during trials. If you can reduce a person to just their sexual behaviors or their sexual bodies, then you inevitably dehumanize and delegitimize them. Isn’t this the very same reason why most of us abhor Bailey’s book — because it so relentlessly sexualizes trans women (thus delegitimizing us)?

The pinnacle of sexualization in the ______ report is a link to a supposed “cock shot” (plus related dialogue) that had nothing to do with autogynephilia or BBL or anything. What the fuck! I would be pissed if BBL were to include my forays on Craig’s List in one of their “reports”. So why on earth would you do exactly that to ______? There is absolutely no reason to include that passage, except, of course, that 1) sexualizing someone invalidates them, and 2) you want to delegitimize her.

Look, I am not naive, and I can assure you that I have no fantasies about having a “respectable dialogue” about “autogynephilia” after everything that has already gone on. If you wanna call someone a fraud or a troll or a hypocrite or what have you, I am not going to stop you. But when you start sexualizing proponents of “autogynephilia” (and insinuating that they are "autogynephilics") as a way of invalidating them, then you are no better than Bailey and the like. And, as Audre Lorde famously said, "The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house."

respectfully yours,
-julia

Tags: autogynephilia, bailey, frustration

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[info]nodesignation

February 13 2009, 08:41:10 UTC 3 years ago

I hate it when activists perpetrate all kinds of messed up tactics which they would see as completely wrong in any other circumstance but because they are using those tactics against someone engaged in oppressive behavior they see it as okay.

The most frustrating example I've seen has been watching trans people (who should know better) purposefully mispronoun someone or claim that they are "really" their birth assigned gender. That, and the stuff you reference here, is not appropriate under any circumstances.

As a side note, I know several women, trans and cis, who enjoy sporting a bit of facial hair -- myself included.

[info]lightningxsnow

February 13 2009, 13:09:57 UTC 3 years ago

'zactly. I really hate it when any kind of activist group does the whole divide-and-conquer thing. It's ineffective and does a lot of damage.

And I'm cis, and I have a bit of upper lip/chin hair.

[info]cyberspice

February 13 2009, 12:27:37 UTC 3 years ago

I transitioned almost 15 years ago and I still haven't properly cleared my face. I have electro and laser as and when I can afford it. Because of my hair type laser is limited anyway so its mostly electro which can be costly, painful and inconvenient when you have to grow it out.

I have ongoing relationships with trans-women. I'm poly so this means more than one.

Do either of these facts make me any less trans than anyone else? Does it mean I am not a 'true transsexual'. Not it does not and I will get very angry with anyone who suggests otherwise.

'true transsexual' itself smacks of internalised trans-phobia and shows those individuals who are using it have their own issues.

[info]every_piece

February 13 2009, 13:12:12 UTC 3 years ago

I transitioned almost 15 years ago and I still haven't properly cleared my face.

I've been transitioned for almost a decade and I haven't had any hair removal at all, yet (hopefully the spice money fill flow this year, though!). I can't imagine anyone using that as proof that I'm not a "true transsexual" either.

shows those individuals who are using it have their own issues.

I think some people can feel that their choices are made less valid when other people in similar positions make different ones.

[info]iphisol

February 13 2009, 18:54:35 UTC 3 years ago Edited:  February 13 2009, 18:55:10 UTC

I don't think I've ever seen (or read) Dune, but spice references crack me up EVERY TIME.

Also yes: right on, Julia. I kind of feel fine with people assigning me "not a true transsexual" status and I practically want to assume "autogynephile" as an identity just because the whole thing seems so stupid and pointless. I'm like, "oh, you think I'm not really transsexual? Great, I guess I'll go get a coffee and not talk to you any more."

[info]badhairdaysandmore.blogspot.com

February 21 2009, 21:29:07 UTC 3 years ago

> I don't think I've ever seen (or read) Dune
While the films are great, the books are better and only they can give you the deep inside.
Actually the spice was an analogy to oil and it was no accident, that a person in the book was called Keynes (in reference to John Maynard Keynes)
I absolutly love the series.

[info]lff12

February 19 2009, 21:59:01 UTC 3 years ago

Great hair!

You have fab hair on your head though!

[info]cyberspice

February 19 2009, 22:06:47 UTC 3 years ago

Re: Great hair!

Thank you. :-) It takes a lot of effort to keep it that bright though. Its my late but not forgotten rebellion.

[info]badhairdaysandmore.blogspot.com

February 16 2009, 19:26:36 UTC 3 years ago

> Am I the only person offended by this?

No, I did go at length on my blog about this. But its not only the true transsexual or HBS folks, people like Anne Lawrence like to make their special experiences the only relevant, too.

There have to be some issues on those "mine is the only way" types. Some hidden uncertains.

[info]lff12

February 16 2009, 23:40:35 UTC 3 years ago

Interesting post

Actually I'm a cisgendered woman, and like most women coming up to pre-menopausal years, I've a wee bit of facial hair growth - does that make me not a true woman? Interesting post. I have to say I think Bailey's book suffers from both poor writing and also the language describing "autogynephilia" is needlessly pathologized. Its not, however, in my opinion, all that much worse than denying so many ts-women surgery because they cannot afford it, or as is the case here in Ireland, simply not having it available at all. The difficulty I have with Bailey is his studies previous are largely about the relationships between gender and sexuality, and it doesn't work in the case of gender identity because (surprise surprise) really for *most* people it has nothing to do with sexuality (that is not to say that occasionally it might, its unfortuante that Baileys writing appears to have done more, intentially or otherwise, to shut down any meaningful debate on gender/sexuality in the context of GID). If you read the comments pages of the Manchester Guardian after any article on TS and not just Julie Bindel, there is a tendency to knee-jerk reactions that connect gender and sexuality and you got to ask why. After having many great TS friends for many years it only came to me as a question, after I noticed that one particular post-op friend was making up lots of stories about having lots of great sex, and I started to question why she felt a need to invent what she perceived as being a normal sexual existence (of course its more than likely nothing to do with her gender identity - or is it!!?) Now on the other hand I have post-op friends who've essentially adopted nun-like lifestyles, and esentially it DOES to me raise valid questions about sexuality and how the TS community copes both before and after transitioning. Its unfortunate that such poor research on Baileys behalf has made it so difficult to discuss issues such as sexuality without the very agressive and often hurtful language used above.

[info]radicalbitch.wordpress.com

February 17 2009, 17:17:12 UTC 3 years ago

ok.......

Trans people are often worse to each other than the outside world is even capable of doing. Certainly has been true in my case where literally the only challenges to my womanhood come from those who oppose my positions.

Julia, I liked your book where you stuck to the scapegoating of the feminine but disagree strongly with the cis-victimhood that others have taken from it. And the proper term is not "true" transsexual but classic meaning nuerologicly intersexed as in driven to put body and mind into congruence. But ultimately the proof of the pudding is does one finally fully transition mentally? Most do not but remain trans something identified. Dividing the world into trans and cis and embracing that serves only to keep that from happening.

Some thoughts from the radicalbitch, Cathryn
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